GuJiaXian
Sergeant
661 Posts
    
Roswell, GA
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| Here's a thread where we can all post what we DO like about 4e. Even if you're still not sold on the new rules (or likely never will be), feel free to post this or that snippet that you do like.
To start things off, I really like the simplified grappling rules (a basic Strength vs. Reflex attack). In the WWGD adventure, my players used the grapple rules to grab the kidnapped children and run with them--I just treated them as willing targets.
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MarioCleanstuff
Warrior
325 Posts
San Diego, CA
| | 06/08/2008 8:14 AM |
| | I'm liking a lot, but for now I'll just say I'm very enthused about the ease of play. I was able to bring in three completely new players to Game Day and despite the horrible adventure, all three wanted to come back for more. The intimidation factor of the rules was gone within three rounds of combat. | |
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Duke of Spoils
greyhaze
Warlord
7698 Posts
| | 06/08/2008 8:58 AM |
| | I like the book formatting. I like that criticals only do max damage instead of double. | |
Greyhaze's DDM Spoilers
Champion of a Medium Dog & then a Darkenbeast , Raistlin Majere, Nightmare WDQ25/60, Warduke WD60/60,
Anti-Champion of Guns, "Knight of Bugbears", and Joke Champion of Venger.
Called Shots: Frost Giant in Dangerous Delves. | |
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maijstral
Underboss
2105 Posts
| | 06/08/2008 9:03 AM |
| | I like that everyone has something to do all the time in every battle. The low level wizard doesn't shoot his sleep or MM spell then resort to missing with a crossbow for the rest of the day. The cleric is no longer the walking first aid kit and buffing machine he can actually do other stuff in encounters. I like how the battles are more fluid with movement and a bit more strategy, you don't just wade in and stand around beating on creatures until they are dead and vice versa the creatures gain some battle movement and special powers making even low level Kobold and Goblin encounters interesting. | | | |
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javasquirrel
Skirmisher
29 Posts
| | 06/08/2008 9:24 AM |
| | The fact that when my group is 1st level I do not have to just use goblins or the like to make sure they don't die. A few of us did the demo yesterday, then afterwards four people worked on character gen and I worked out just a quick adventure that worked out well. Plenty of options for encounters and everyone actually felt they were useful to the group, and the main part we all had a good time.  Oh and drow are not a player race from the start.....please gaming gods keep it that way. | |
If I kill off a 5th level party with only 3 kobolds that were based off Spartans, have I failed or succeeded at my job as a DM? | |
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GuJiaXian
Sergeant
661 Posts
Roswell, GA
| | 06/08/2008 12:01 PM |
| I've been running 4th edition demos for a few months now (I'm a WotC delegate), and every single person that's ended up playing a wizard loves the at-will magic missile.
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vanrulzz
Commander
2778 Posts
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| | what they all said, + Paladins and fighters are not crap. I mean, wow! Who would have thought that? | | | |
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The Great
Choco Monster
Ghendar
Warlord
13063 Posts
Mud Lick, Kentucky
| | 06/08/2008 5:57 PM |
| I like Residuum.
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WotC - making me wish more and more every day for a return to the TSR days. :(
I fought the snark and the snark won. I'm baaaaaaaaaaack!
Some of my favorite Maxminis quotes
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
Could somebody explain Snatch to me? I understand the basics, but not how to enter/use it. - Posted by orcmonk220
G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM
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Auric
Warrior
219 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 06/08/2008 6:40 PM |
| | I like that low level characters have cool abilities and powers too. I just created my first character, a lvl 1 ranger, and I'm already excited about playing him. | |
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kyrin
Commander
3171 Posts
| | 06/08/2008 8:29 PM |
| Posted By maijstral on 06/08/2008 9:03 AM
I like that everyone has something to do all the time in every battle. The low level wizard doesn't shoot his sleep or MM spell then resort to missing with a crossbow for the rest of the day. The cleric is no longer the walking first aid kit and buffing machine he can actually do other stuff in encounters. I like how the battles are more fluid with movement and a bit more strategy, you don't just wade in and stand around beating on creatures until they are dead and vice versa the creatures gain some battle movement and special powers making even low level Kobold and Goblin encounters interesting.
In 25 years of playing D&D, I've never had situations like what you describe.Â
My low-level wizards contribute every round of a combat. If a player does otherwise, it's the player's choice, not a fault of the system.Â
My cleric buffs first round and storms into combat. If you want to be a buffer / healer, that's your choice.Â
We've always had fluid battles with movement and strategy, even when we were moving pennies around on a table.Â
If a kobold or goblin encounter is boring, it's the DM's fault, not the system's.
Having played and DMed 4th Ed, I can say it's a good game. But it is not going to solve any of the above "problems," because all of the above are flaws with the players and DM, not the system.
All that said, I also like that Drow are not a core race. Plus, I think the whole idea of minions is pretty cool.
JIM
aka kyrin
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maijstral
Underboss
2105 Posts
| | 06/08/2008 10:21 PM |
| Posted By kyrin on 06/08/2008 8:29 PM Posted By maijstral on 06/08/2008 9:03 AM
I like that everyone has something to do all the time in every battle. The low level wizard doesn't shoot his sleep or MM spell then resort to missing with a crossbow for the rest of the day. The cleric is no longer the walking first aid kit and buffing machine he can actually do other stuff in encounters. I like how the battles are more fluid with movement and a bit more strategy, you don't just wade in and stand around beating on creatures until they are dead and vice versa the creatures gain some battle movement and special powers making even low level Kobold and Goblin encounters interesting. In 25 years of playing D&D, I've never had situations like what you describe. My low-level wizards contribute every round of a combat. If a player does otherwise, it's the player's choice, not a fault of the system. My cleric buffs first round and storms into combat. If you want to be a buffer / healer, that's your choice. We've always had fluid battles with movement and strategy, even when we were moving pennies around on a table. If a kobold or goblin encounter is boring, it's the DM's fault, not the system's. Having played and DMed 4th Ed, I can say it's a good game. But it is not going to solve any of the above "problems," because all of the above are flaws with the players and DM, not the system. All that said, I also like that Drow are not a core race. Plus, I think the whole idea of minions is pretty cool. JIM aka kyrin
 Sigh I just plain give up, I tried to post something positive based on things I've seen reported as problems in 3.5 at low levels but apparently saying anything positive will get you belittled here. I never said any of this was a problem in my games (except maybe the low level wizard) and I really resent the implication that I am a poor gamer and poor DM just because I am addressing some peoples opinions of problems in 3.5, problems I've seen posted time and time again. I will conceed you are the best gamer and DM to ever exsist and your games are unique and problem free but the rest of us have to deal with all the pale imitations that are out there.
I said Goblin and Kobold encounters might be considered boring because after 30 years of playing goblins and kobolds get a bit boring when they are relativily unchanged for the last few decades. The changes in the monsters keeps the flavor and breaths a freshness into them so you can see that umteenth goblin battle and be pleasantly surprised.
Note I didn't say all you can fight at low levels are Kobolds and Goblins just that when you do you pretty much know what to expect combatwise.
People tend to avoid playing the Cleric because he's viewed as a portable first aid kit first, a buffing machine second and a backup fighter last. Right or wrong thats the way a majority of players view him. In my recent games the guy who plays the cleric really gets into the role, LG, he asks for surrender when it doesn't threaten the party, he treats prisoners fairly and trys to bring them in for fair trials, he puts himslef in the line of fire when another party member is about to drop and risks his life to deliver necessary aid either spells or a well placed attack.
Fluid battles are a problem, the fighter types usually can't afford to take the AOO's so when engaged they stand thier ground just shifting to get better position.The Rogue flits about the battlefeild trying to flank for sneak attack, the wizard/warlock finds a safe place to cast his spells then shoots with a crossbow (this is technically donig something but is boring as hell for the player who realizes a wizard shooting into melee has very little chance of htting, and I've had players use tanglefoot bags,thunderstones and other thrown things like that with much the same results). I like 4.0 rangers and thier movement based powers enabling them to move and hit and move again as well as the rest of the powers,Eladrins Fey Step for example, that allow battlefield movement of more than just a shift.
As for everyone being able to do something my point was not just the wizard the other characters have more to do as well. At first level a fighter pretty much has " I swing my sword at the bad guy" when in melee combat but in 4.0 he has a few other manuvers he can pull off.
I now return you to the typical hate filled rants that abound..... I'm out.
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kyrin
Commander
3171 Posts
| | 06/08/2008 11:05 PM |
| Sigh I just plain give up, I tried to post something positive based on things I've seen reported as problems in 3.5 at low levels but apparently saying anything positive will get you belittled here.
Well, I guess we'll wait to see when I get belittled for saying I liked minions.
I never said any of this was a problem in my games (except maybe the low level wizard) and I really resent the implication that I am a poor gamer and poor DM just because I am addressing some peoples opinions of problems in 3.5, problems I've seen posted time and time again.
If you've never had any problems like this in your games, why do you think I'm implying ANYTHING about you? Besides, isn't it terribly arrogant to imagine that if you're not having fun with a game, it has little to nothing to do with you. "Oh, sure, people have worked on this for years and thrown their entire lives into creating it, but if I'm not having fun, it must be all their fault!"
I will conceed you are the best gamer and DM to ever exsist and your games are unique and problem free but the rest of us have to deal with all the pale imitations that are out there.
I'm not sure why you would concede something that is very likely not true, but knock yourself out.
Look, all I'm saying is that all these things that are "wrong" or "problems" with 3rd Edition DO NOT HAVE TO BE PROBLEMS. It's amazing how much people love their absolutist statements. They will gladly belittle and mock, rather than trying to, well, you know, understand. Sad, really.
(And yes, I DO understand that folks have problems with 3rd Ed. My group had those same problems. I'm just saying we found a way to make it work. I sort of wish people would show more respect for that.)
Anyway, please enjoy 4th Edition. I hope it solves your problems. And you know, it just might, because some folks may just want so very, very much to be right, that they will MAKE 4th Edition work, just like we've made 3rd. If that's what it takes, go for it, man.
I'm in no way filled with hate towards 4E. I've played it, I've DMed it. It's a good game, but it does not fit with our gaming style, so we will be unlikely to make a switch.
JIM
aka kyrin
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Pronounce "Drow" like "crow"! Viva la Revolution! We Shall Overcome!
Vindicated Champion of the Stirge! Vindicated Champion of the Githyanki Knight on Red Dragon!!
Vindicated Champion of the Androsphinx! | |
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maijstral
Underboss
2105 Posts
| | 06/08/2008 11:35 PM |
| Well now that i've calmed down I was going to come back and edit out the snarky comments I made but its too late.
You came off as extremely arrogant and used me as an example of what people were doing wrong and it annoyed me a lot.
I have no problem with 3.5,excepting the splat books released in the last year, I don't think they were adequately playtested and lot of broken combos slipped through.
If people want to play 3.5 more power to you it is still a great system. I didn't want to change,mostly because,barring the last few books , it still works fine and I have a lot of money invested in it but most of my players wanted to change over and I like our group so I gave it a shot and found I rather liked it.
I've switched from basic to AD&D to 2.0 to 3.0 to 3.5 and if I contiune to like 4.0 its will have a new enthusiastic supporter. I have no illusions that 4.0 will solve every problem of 3.5 and i'm sure new ones will croip up but thats the nature of the game.
You may not be hate filled towards 4.0 , judging from some of your posts you may want to reflect on that, but a lot are and when someone trys to say 'don't hate it just because its new and different' and they get shouted at then you have to think about whether you even want to be a member of that community.
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Fun Guy from Yuggoth
Cthulhufnord
Warlord
11110 Posts
Umass Amherst Baby!
| | 06/08/2008 11:39 PM |
| 1) Hitpoints per level, rather than rolled. An old Houserule from 2nd ed
2) Saving Throws treated as "Armor Class", very neat feature; very cool.
3) Humans are still awsome to play  , hey I generaly prefer going pinkie*
4) Wizards are still in the Core book. 
5) It's still got a D20 roll, classes, ability scores and hitpoints.
*human
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Pathetic Earthlings. Hurling your bodies out into the void - without the slightest inkling of who or what is out here. If you had known anything about the true nature of the universe - anything at all - you would have hidden from it in terror. | |
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Kaya Kenobi
Underboss
1304 Posts
San Jose, California
| | 06/08/2008 11:52 PM |
| I still like Rule 0. If there's a problem, Rule 0. DM always has final say. I have never experienced an hour long grapple contest, or an infinite loop with astral projection. Nothing. Maybe it's because most of my fellow gamers has played DnD since the 80s and the only ones that really try to pull "broken" combinations are the little kids or the video game addicts that wants to turn a table top roleplaying game with pen and paper, to a video game where they can use a hundred cheat codes to break the game. That's what Rule 0 is for.
I have seen very few walking band-aids. Most clerics were used as frontline tanks with the fighter alongside them. There would be a wand that was either purchased or made to do healing (It's simple to recharge this thing too) and they'd just cast a few spells and then suddenly they outshine a straight fighter 5 levels above them. That said, what I like about 4e, is the Fighter's abilities. What I don't like, is no multiple attacks.
I love the artwork... That's about it. | |
Just a simple traveler from the swamps of Dagobah otherwise known as Florida. Also known as Hurricane Alley!
I always try to send through delivery confirmation, and I expect the same. It's only 55 cents extra, so it's just a little more than a pay phone call, so just do it for the Kai.  I prefer to trade with people in the US and Canada, sorry everyone else.
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Fun Guy from Yuggoth
Cthulhufnord
Warlord
11110 Posts
Umass Amherst Baby!
| | 06/08/2008 11:55 PM |
| The artwork has consistantly been good. I'm not a fan of the layout of the MM and PHB, too much stuff blurs together for me. 
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Pathetic Earthlings. Hurling your bodies out into the void - without the slightest inkling of who or what is out here. If you had known anything about the true nature of the universe - anything at all - you would have hidden from it in terror. | |
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The Great
Choco Monster
Ghendar
Warlord
13063 Posts
Mud Lick, Kentucky
| | 06/09/2008 4:35 AM |
| Posted By maijstral on 06/08/2008 11:35 PM
You may not be hate filled towards 4.0 , judging from some of your posts you may want to reflect on that, but a lot are and when someone trys to say 'don't hate it just because its new and different' and they get shouted at then you have to think about whether you even want to be a member of that community.
Going off topic for a moment...
I don't dislike stuff just because it's new and different. My opposition to 4e stems from the nature, depth, and breadth of the changes, not change itself. Had WotC not decided to create an almost entirely new game then you wouldn't see me complaining. When they created 3e, they kept certain elements that define D&D and make it what it is. With 4e they have decided on a different course. A course that I, for one, am having trouble embracing as D&D.
Back on track
I like that some classic elements of D&D are still present. Example would be the class system.
I like how the PH has more stuff in it usable for players, such as magic items. It's nice to have them there instead of the DMG.
I can see myself DMing 4e and not having the design philosophy issues with it that I'm finding I have as a player.
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WotC - making me wish more and more every day for a return to the TSR days. :(
I fought the snark and the snark won. I'm baaaaaaaaaaack!
Some of my favorite Maxminis quotes
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
Could somebody explain Snatch to me? I understand the basics, but not how to enter/use it. - Posted by orcmonk220
G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM
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berus316
Sergeant
663 Posts
Markham, Ontario Canada
| | 06/09/2008 5:19 AM |
| Lots and Lots. I'm pretty excited to get going on playing but still lots and lots to read and learn.
I love the simplification with a lot of the rules. Total Defense - +2 to all your defenses. You don't need to see if someone has Tumble, or whether they are using Combat Expertise or any of that... +2 nice and simple. Yes, I understand that you lose a bit with the simplification but it's about the story not the rules so I'm happy.
Power Attack +2 and -2 nice and simple, nobody trying to do the percentage change in should I take 3 off, or go for 5?
The Core Mechanic is just plain great, nice and easy to figure out rolls and skills and such.
Athletics - one skill to rule them all
I could go on and on. I have of course not tested this out yet, but I can only see good things.
Oh, and Rituals just plain rock. They almost make magic mysterious rather than run of the mill.
More reading this week. The plan is to interrupt my regular campaign (3.5E 10th level good characters), with a 4E one off of new 1st level - evilsih characters shipwrecking outside the main city and then trying to scrape by in the city that has been home to the PCs for 2 years. Kind of a "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead" sort of episode.
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Nemesis of Gnomes and Warforged
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Duke of Spoils
greyhaze
Warlord
7698 Posts
| | 06/09/2008 6:42 AM |
| Posted By maijstral on 06/08/2008 11:35 PM
You may not be hate filled towards 4.0 , judging from some of your posts you may want to reflect on that, but a lot are and when someone trys to say 'don't hate it just because its new and different' and they get shouted at then you have to think about whether you even want to be a member of that community.
Maybe use positive 4e points, without bashing 3.5 stuff? Just a thought. | |
Greyhaze's DDM Spoilers
Champion of a Medium Dog & then a Darkenbeast , Raistlin Majere, Nightmare WDQ25/60, Warduke WD60/60,
Anti-Champion of Guns, "Knight of Bugbears", and Joke Champion of Venger.
Called Shots: Frost Giant in Dangerous Delves. | |
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kyrin
Commander
3171 Posts
| | 06/09/2008 7:23 AM |
| Posted By greyhaze on 06/09/2008 6:42 AM Posted By maijstral on 06/08/2008 11:35 PM
You may not be hate filled towards 4.0 , judging from some of your posts you may want to reflect on that, but a lot are and when someone trys to say 'don't hate it just because its new and different' and they get shouted at then you have to think about whether you even want to be a member of that community.
Maybe use positive 4e points, without bashing 3.5 stuff? Just a thought.
Thanks, 'haze. Could not have put it better myself. So much of the praise for 4E -- and a disturbing amount of hype from WotC -- has revolved around how 4E "fixes" some of the "problems" with 3E. That comes off as... well, arrogant, especially to folks who are not having these problems. It's like we're somehow doing something wrong, yet we're the ones who are having fun.
Majistral, I did not use you as an example of what people were doing wrong. I used the problems you cited as examples of what people were doing wrong. If those things weren't happening to you, I wasn't talking about you, right?
And consider for a moment that perhaps the reason that people are "shouting" at you for saying "don't hate it just because its new and different" is because that is not the reason people "hate" 4th Edition. You are misrepresenting their motives, in a way that makes them look foolish or hidebound or stupid or whatever. That just might tick people off.
JIM
aka kyrin
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My Have/Want List <-|-|->My Trades and References 1 <-|-|->My Trades and References 2
Pronounce "Drow" like "crow"! Viva la Revolution! We Shall Overcome!
Vindicated Champion of the Stirge! Vindicated Champion of the Githyanki Knight on Red Dragon!!
Vindicated Champion of the Androsphinx! | |
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maijstral
Underboss
2105 Posts
| | 06/09/2008 7:43 AM |
| Posted By greyhaze on 06/09/2008 6:42 AM Posted By maijstral on 06/08/2008 11:35 PM
You may not be hate filled towards 4.0 , judging from some of your posts you may want to reflect on that, but a lot are and when someone trys to say 'don't hate it just because its new and different' and they get shouted at then you have to think about whether you even want to be a member of that community. Maybe use positive 4e points, without bashing 3.5 stuff? Just a thought.
Umm, I don't hate 3.5 my last post had this to say:
 have no problem with 3.5,excepting the splat books released in the last year, I don't think they were adequately playtested and lot of broken combos slipped through.
If people want to play 3.5 more power to you it is still a great system. I didn't want to change,mostly because,barring the last few books , it still works fine and I have a lot of money invested in it but most of my players wanted to change over and I like our group so I gave it a shot and found I rather liked it.
I've switched from basic to AD&D to 2.0 to 3.0 to 3.5 and if I contiune to like 4.0 its will have a new enthusiastic supporter. I have no illusions that 4.0 will solve every problem of 3.5 and i'm sure new ones will croip up but thats the nature of the game.
You like 3.5,great so do I, you like 4.0, great so do I why is that so hard to accept without picking on people. I will play whichever system my players want to play.
But the point is moot, this is my last post, you may respond however you wish I won't see it. I've defended Maxminis for over a year from people who think its become nothing but a den of hate and negativity,I've steered new players here dispite the eye rolls whenever I mention Maxminis but the negativity, bitterness here has gotten to be too much for me. Even here in one of the very few positive threads on this site it has degenerated into a whats wrong with the new system and I'm partailly at fault for allowing myself to be baited.
 The last straw is the pomposity and arrogance of people who believe they are 100% correct in all matters and any one who disagrees is by definition wrong and misguided, it just is not enjoyable to come here anymore. I will unregister my account after I post this so the mods can do whatever they like to my account.
Good bye all.
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GuJiaXian
Sergeant
661 Posts
Roswell, GA
| | 06/09/2008 7:46 AM |
| | Looks like my "positive" thread didn't work so well. | |
"Clearly a case of too many hunchbacks and not enough mad scientists..." | |
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The Great
Choco Monster
Ghendar
Warlord
13063 Posts
Mud Lick, Kentucky
| | 06/09/2008 7:52 AM |
| Posted By maijstral on 06/09/2008 7:43 AM
 have no problem with 3.5,excepting the splat books released in the last year, I don't think they were adequately playtested and lot of broken combos slipped through.
Just a question, do you expect 4e books to be any more adequately play tested? I don't.
[EDIT] - I guess I'm not getting an answer to that question from maijstral. | |
WotC - making me wish more and more every day for a return to the TSR days. :(
I fought the snark and the snark won. I'm baaaaaaaaaaack!
Some of my favorite Maxminis quotes
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
Could somebody explain Snatch to me? I understand the basics, but not how to enter/use it. - Posted by orcmonk220
G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM
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Duke of Spoils
greyhaze
Warlord
7698 Posts
| | 06/09/2008 8:14 AM |
| Posted By GuJiaXian on 06/09/2008 7:46 AM
Looks like my "positive" thread didn't work so well.
Sorry, dude. I was just trying to figure out what's setting people off, thought maybe it was the delivery. Didn't expect someone to quit posting over it. | |
Greyhaze's DDM Spoilers
Champion of a Medium Dog & then a Darkenbeast , Raistlin Majere, Nightmare WDQ25/60, Warduke WD60/60,
Anti-Champion of Guns, "Knight of Bugbears", and Joke Champion of Venger.
Called Shots: Frost Giant in Dangerous Delves. | |
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GuJiaXian
Sergeant
661 Posts
Roswell, GA
| | 06/09/2008 8:46 AM |
| | Oh, I'm not angry with you or anyone else...just frustrated with the general state of things. I understand that I a lot of people don't like the 4e changes, but other people do. I just think it's sad that maijstral is leaving the forums (the repaint threads seem to be immune to personal attacks, I've noticed)--I hope the best for him. | |
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berus316
Sergeant
663 Posts
Markham, Ontario Canada
| | 06/09/2008 8:57 AM |
| Posted By maijstral on 06/09/2008 7:43 AM
I've defended Maxminis for over a year from people who think its become nothing but a den of hate and negativity,I've steered new players here dispite the eye rolls whenever I mention Maxminis but the negativity, bitterness here has gotten to be too much for me. Even here in one of the very few positive threads on this site it has degenerated into a whats wrong with the new system and I'm partailly at fault for allowing myself to be baited.
 The last straw is the pomposity and arrogance of people who believe they are 100% correct in all matters and any one who disagrees is by definition wrong and misguided, it just is not enjoyable to come here anymore. I will unregister my account after I post this so the mods can do whatever they like to my account.
Well spoken. Another one bites the dust. Thanks so much to all the jackasses on the list that think they know it all better than everyone else.  There is a list of about 5 or 6 on here that are truly the most snotty bitches I have ever encountered on the internet in any forum.
I think many of these fine gentlemen would likely be missing teeth by now if they spoke this way in a face to face discussion. But then again, anonymity breeds bravery.
See ya maijstral. I hope you find a better place to play.
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Kaya Kenobi
Underboss
1304 Posts
San Jose, California
| | 06/09/2008 9:44 AM |
| Well... Here's one of the most definite positives of 4e. 3e books are going to be a bit cheaper. It'll be at the price it should be. Instead of 35 a book, I might get em for 20 new, maybe less. People are getting rid of them to enthusiastically embrace 4e. It's quite funny, actually. The positives of 4e really is to the benefit of 3e players who don't own all the books.
Thanks to 4e, all the third parties are going to it. So that means, no new stuff for 3e. Good news is, these third parties will sell their stuff at closeout prices just so they don't lose money from their overhead. I'll wait 2 years and they'll have 4.5 out, and another 2 years 5e out... I wonder what that will look like.
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Just a simple traveler from the swamps of Dagobah otherwise known as Florida. Also known as Hurricane Alley!
I always try to send through delivery confirmation, and I expect the same. It's only 55 cents extra, so it's just a little more than a pay phone call, so just do it for the Kai. I prefer to trade with people in the US and Canada, sorry everyone else.
http://www.maxminis.com/Forums/tabid/104/forumid/53/postid/655406/view/topic/Default.aspx - references | |
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The Great
Choco Monster
Ghendar
Warlord
13063 Posts
Mud Lick, Kentucky
| | 06/09/2008 9:45 AM |
| Posted By berus316 on 06/09/2008 8:57 AM
Well spoken. Another one bites the dust. Thanks so much to all the jackasses on the list that think they know it all better than everyone else.  There is a list of about 5 or 6 on here that are truly the most snotty bitches I have ever encountered on the internet in any forum.
Care to name those 5 or 6? | |
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I fought the snark and the snark won. I'm baaaaaaaaaaack!
Some of my favorite Maxminis quotes
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
Could somebody explain Snatch to me? I understand the basics, but not how to enter/use it. - Posted by orcmonk220
G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM
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berus316
Sergeant
663 Posts
Markham, Ontario Canada
| | 06/09/2008 10:11 AM |
| >Care to name those 5 or 6?
I'm sure they know perfectly well who they are...
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Champion of the Aspect of Gruumsh
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Duke of Spoils
greyhaze
Warlord
7698 Posts
| | 06/09/2008 10:16 AM |
| Posted By berus316 on 06/09/2008 10:11 AM
>Care to name those 5 or 6?
I'm sure they know perfectly well who they are...
WITCH HUNT! ;) | |
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Awesome Sauce
Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7908 Posts
Sector 2814
| | 06/09/2008 10:19 AM |
| Hmm, regarding the "problems" of 3.5 and 3E.
Some people never experienced those issues. Or, they preemptively fixed them. Does that make it wrong for a company to fix something for a majority (but certainly not all) of their customer base? Let's draw a comparison to computers. If you have an OS, and a majority of users are having a problem with a specific function, but you are not (or fixed it yourself, given proper knowledge) would that mean they shouldn't try to rectify it in future releases?
As for 4E I like the speed with which it plays. Nowadays, I'm a lot busier than ever before, and I like the feeling that there's a good efficiency to my gaming. Like i'm getting my time's worth, compared to what i could be doing with that time.
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GuJiaXian
Sergeant
661 Posts
Roswell, GA
| | 06/09/2008 10:25 AM |
| Posted By Teflon Jeff on 06/09/2008 10:19 AM
As for 4E I like the speed with which it plays. Nowadays, I'm a lot busier than ever before, and I like the feeling that there's a good efficiency to my gaming. Like i'm getting my time's worth, compared to what i could be doing with that time.
I wholeheartedly agree. What with a demanding job, a wife, a young daughter, and a son on the way, I simply don't have the time for gaming that I used to.
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wicked cool
Underboss
2151 Posts
| | 06/09/2008 11:06 AM |
| the thread is about what we like! It turned into a thread about losing a long time member. Its to bad. There are a lot of gamers out there who think the system has flaws and that 4th ed will fix them. I have taken a glance at the PH over the weekend and i like what ive seen. 4th ed will probabl have flaws to but hopefully its falws will be minor compared to 3.5 .
-i like the new skill system and not worrying about having enogh points in swim instead of climb or spot instead of open locks.
- i like the idea of ritual scrolls and books. makes treasure piles more interesting nad now a scroll of knock can be used by other memebers of the party. Also the rest of the party can participate in the ritual which can only add to the game experience
-tieflings and Dragonborn. They add flavor to the game and can give cities more of that "Mos Eisley" feel to them. They are not offensive to my religious beliefs and will make the people who want their characters to be different looking happier
-a will abilities/other spell. I completly agree about wizards and their spells. you have that 1 chance to contribute with a spell and then the rest of the encounter you are more than likely shooting a crossbow or hiding. Same with Clerics. you might be a tank but if you get badly hurt your spending spells on yourself and no others.
-minions. adds more to combat
- no more diaganols. good riddance. the less time looking up movement rules the better
-you can have a 4 1st level party fight a dragon thats not the size of a table napkin! makes gaming fun for older and new players.
- no more glass jawed heroes. Hit points are now the same and no more crying of rolled 1's and 2s.
- It doesnt have to be complicated. Just because it was once complicated doesnt mean it has to stay that way.
thanks for creating this thread GuJiaXian | |
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The Great
Choco Monster
Ghendar
Warlord
13063 Posts
Mud Lick, Kentucky
| | 06/09/2008 11:58 AM |
| Posted By berus316 on 06/09/2008 10:11 AM
>Care to name those 5 or 6?
I'm sure they know perfectly well who they are...
Well, I can think of a couple but more interested to know if I'm one of them. | |
WotC - making me wish more and more every day for a return to the TSR days. :(
I fought the snark and the snark won. I'm baaaaaaaaaaack!
Some of my favorite Maxminis quotes
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
Could somebody explain Snatch to me? I understand the basics, but not how to enter/use it. - Posted by orcmonk220
G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM
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kyrin
Commander
3171 Posts
| | 06/09/2008 2:53 PM |
| Okay, I have a new best thing about 4E...
It motivated the kids at Creative Juices to do this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8UldMTTDJ4
Warning: Not even remotely safe for work, or young ears.
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zenthrus
Warlord
5132 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 06/09/2008 2:54 PM |
| Posted By Ghendar on 06/09/2008 11:58 AM Posted By berus316 on 06/09/2008 10:11 AM
>Care to name those 5 or 6?
I'm sure they know perfectly well who they are...
Well, I can think of a couple but more interested to know if I'm one of them.  
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Ridureyu
Underboss
1622 Posts
| | 06/09/2008 4:04 PM |
| Posted By greyhaze on 06/09/2008 10:16 AM
WITCH HUNT! ;)
WITCHKNIFE!!!!
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7908 Posts
Sector 2814
| | 06/09/2008 5:05 PM |
| Witch hunter Prestige Class Paragon path!
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Auric
Warrior
219 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 06/09/2008 6:16 PM |
| Just throwing my two cents in here. The old adage that says: "you can't please all the people all the time" is what it comes down to. What each person likes or dislikes about any edition someone else may disagree with. Personally, I didn't find any problems, per se, with 3rd or 3.5, but I do like the changes more or less with 4th. But I can't and won't say that any of them is particulary "right" or "wrong," because that would all just be a matter of opinion.
*steps down from my soapbox*
On the main topic of this thread, I also love the racial feature of the half-elf that allows a power of another class to be gained as an encounter power. A ranger using Eldritch Blast is pretty darn cool in my book. | |
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Wraithborne
Warlord
5278 Posts
The Red Light District
| | 06/09/2008 6:34 PM |
| | From one of the first combat examples they gave, I like that dragon's breath (and assuming fireballs and such as well) can set people on fire again. I never really jived with the super instantaneous flash of flame that caused massive dmage but never set anything on fire. | |
Eye dun no why youse guys think im not relly a person im jimgang from canada but im moving to cali as soon as i get a master card
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So, you stand at your grave, Has your soul yet been taken away?
So you can't read what's engraved, Is this Heaven or merely Decay?
Was there a light, enchantingly bright, A Question, just how did it end?
Just let me sift through your calm remains, And tear you away from your skin.
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