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Darth Torment
Warrior
223 Posts
    
Toronto, Ontario CANADA
 | | 09/24/2008 8:37 PM |
| Anyone have ideas for the Horned Devil in a Warband?
General thoughts on this mini etc?
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
| | 10/04/2008 3:27 PM |
| The piece suffers from the problem of costing you 83 points to do 20 points of damage a round. Look at all the other ways you can spend 83 points and see how much damage per round you can get out of that expenditure.
Titans become very difficult to justify if they have only one attack, or if they lack a robust area attack, or if they're easy to gang up on.
This piece suffers from a variety of minor drawbacks, all of which, combined, make it not as appealing as it first appears.
That's my take, anyway.
Dave | |
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Wolfgang
Warlord
6637 Posts
Milton, Ontario Canada
| | 10/04/2008 5:51 PM |
| | i would have to agree with you dave | |
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Dordledum
Commander
3463 Posts
Netherlands
| | 10/05/2008 12:44 AM |
| | yup, for about the same cost you can have a skullcleave and thrall... | |
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Darth Torment
Warrior
223 Posts
Toronto, Ontario CANADA
| | 10/05/2008 10:02 AM |
| | Anyone have warband ideas? | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
| | 10/05/2008 11:08 AM |
| Sure, put him with a Tomebound Arcanist, a few bodyguards, and some fodder.
Alternately, use two of them and a big pile of fodder.
Dave | |
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MAURIZIO
Sergeant
960 Posts
Lima, Perú
| | 10/11/2008 10:26 PM |
| Horned Devil(83),
Tomebound Arcanist(63),
Drow Enforcer(16),
Human Sellsword(14),
2 x Merchant Guard(8),
2 x Goblin Runner(4),
200 pnts, 8 acts without champion
or
Horned Devil(83),
Tomebound Arcanist(63),
Drow Enforcer(16),
Militia Archer(14),
Merchant Guard(8),
Kobold Monk(5),
2 x Goblin Runner(4),
Farmer(3),
200 pnts, 9 acts
or
Horned Devil(83),
Tomebound Arcanist(63),
Dragonborn Defender(31),
Merchant Guard(8),
Kobold Monk(5),
Goblin Runner(4),
2 x Farmer(3),
200 pnts, 8 acts | |
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Darth Torment
Warrior
223 Posts
Toronto, Ontario CANADA
| | 10/11/2008 11:23 PM |
| Great ideas. Thanks!
Looking at your squads, I liked this combination:
Civilization 200
Horned Devil
Tomebound Archanist
Merchant Guard X2
Drow Enforcer
Militia Archer
Goblin Runner X2
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Sean-Khan
Commander
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Temysry
Sergeant
524 Posts
| | 11/05/2008 9:24 AM |
| Posted By Sean-Khan on 11/05/2008 7:59 AM
I think this piece might be knocked up a bit with the coming rules change; A good change of dazing opponent at range 5 and ability to fly gives some options...
IMO, it's still not enough. Compare it to something like the Exarch of Tyranny which only has 1 less DEF and 10 less HP (which it easily makes up for by healing when it kills something. When you also consider that it has a higher attack bonus and free attacks when people activate next to him, what are you getting for the extra 30 points? Flight, reach 4 and daze? Even with the new rules for dazed this isn't even close. For the difference, you could fit a warhorse, bodyguard and extra fodder.
Anyway - if you're looking for creatures that can benefit from the change in rules regarding the dazed/staggered condition, I'd take a long look at the Caller in Darkness and the new Draegloth. | |
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Darth Torment
Warrior
223 Posts
Toronto, Ontario CANADA
| | 11/05/2008 2:05 PM |
| Posted By Sean-Khan on 11/05/2008 7:59 AM
I think this piece might be knocked up a bit with the coming rules change; A good change of dazing opponent at range 5 and ability to fly gives some options...
Upcoming rules change? | |
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Temysry
Sergeant
524 Posts
| | 11/05/2008 2:51 PM |
| The comprehensive rules have been updated by the new stewards of the game. Many of the changes were supposed to be rolled out with Feywild, but since it was canned, they're implementing them now. It's a fairly big update.
A brief summary of changes:
Dazed = as before but can only take one action on your turn (ie move or attack, not both - a charge is one action though).Â
Staggered is removed and is now considered the same as Dazed
Confusion now causes the affected creature to be dazed. When activating, 1-5 means it is dominated, 6-15 it does nothing, 16-20 acts normally.
Dominated is controlled by opponent but dazed and can only make basic attacks
Blasts have been introduced (same as RPG). New restats will include creatures with blasts.
Cones are removed and replaced with blasts (3 for a small cone, 5 for a large cone).
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Darth Torment
Warrior
223 Posts
Toronto, Ontario CANADA
| | 11/06/2008 9:24 AM |
| Posted By Temysry on 11/05/2008 2:51 PM The comprehensive rules have been updated by the new stewards of the game. Many of the changes were supposed to be rolled out with Feywild, but since it was canned, they're implementing them now. It's a fairly big update.
A brief summary of changes:
Dazed = as before but can only take one action on your turn (ie move or attack, not both - a charge is one action though).Â
Staggered is removed and is now considered the same as Dazed
Confusion now causes the affected creature to be dazed. When activating, 1-5 means it is dominated, 6-15 it does nothing, 16-20 acts normally.
Dominated is controlled by opponent but dazed and can only make basic attacks
Blasts have been introduced (same as RPG). New restats will include creatures with blasts.
Cones are removed and replaced with blasts (3 for a small cone, 5 for a large cone).
Where will we see these changes? Since there will never be a new rulebook issued by WOTC is this a PDF or something? Where do we get it? | |
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Temysry
Sergeant
524 Posts
| | 11/06/2008 12:44 PM |
| Posted By Darth Torment on 11/06/2008 9:24 AM
Where will we see these changes? Since there will never be a new rulebook issued by WOTC is this a PDF or something? Where do we get it?
The comprehensive rules are available here:
http://www.ddmoracle.com/
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Lord_rock
Underboss
2045 Posts
Portland OR
| | 11/06/2008 2:50 PM |
| | Impressive. | |
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The_Entropic_Wizard
Sneak
83 Posts
St Paul, MN
| | 11/06/2008 11:33 PM |
| | Hmm.. I went to the website, but I'm getting the Oracle with Staggered still in there... any reason for that? | |
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Temysry
Sergeant
524 Posts
| | 11/07/2008 8:38 AM |
| Posted By The_Entropic_Wizard on 11/06/2008 11:33 PM
Hmm.. I went to the website, but I'm getting the Oracle with Staggered still in there... any reason for that?
They're still working with a beta version. The changes become official on Nov. 18 with the release of Demonweb.
In the meantime, here's a link for the beta version if you're insterested in reading it http://www.ddmoracle.com/downloads/DdmComprehensiveRulesBeta.pdf | |
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Darth Torment
Warrior
223 Posts
Toronto, Ontario CANADA
| | 11/08/2008 8:20 AM |
| Posted By Temysry on 11/07/2008 8:38 AM Posted By The_Entropic_Wizard on 11/06/2008 11:33 PM
Hmm.. I went to the website, but I'm getting the Oracle with Staggered still in there... any reason for that? They're still working with a beta version. The changes become official on Nov. 18 with the release of Demonweb. In the meantime, here's a link for the beta version if you're insterested in reading it http://www.ddmoracle.com/downloads/DdmComprehensiveRulesBeta.pdf
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DC
Sneak
63 Posts
| | 11/30/2008 6:29 AM |
| Posted By Vrecknidj on 10/04/2008 3:27 PM
The piece suffers from the problem of costing you 83 points to do 20 points of damage a round. Look at all the other ways you can spend 83 points and see how much damage per round you can get out of that expenditure.
Titans become very difficult to justify if they have only one attack, or if they lack a robust area attack, or if they're easy to gang up on.
This piece suffers from a variety of minor drawbacks, all of which, combined, make it not as appealing as it first appears.
That's my take, anyway.
Dave
You are right, and this is an excellent example to illustrate why the current designers have no idea what they are doing. Essentially, this figure has many attributes we would see in a dragon, that it so much resembles, but is unable to use them. Such a creature should realistically have many forms of attack, bite, claw, tail slap, wings, stomp, etc all of which would be lethal to a human sized character.
The 'house'  rules are dumb. In a realistic game this figure would be able to do much more. Don't make a large, dragon-like monster with a tail, sharp teeth, wings and claws, and then say it cannot use them.  If intelligent adults were creating the stats this creature would have to be far more formidable.  More and more, we see formidable looking monsters being just so much easy to kill cannon-fodder for the kiddies. | | | |
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