Posted By mazra on 11/01/2008 12:43 PM
Hi DC,

The reality is you were belittling the D&D game from your beginning post. Your comments were offensive to many of us who have played this game for years even decades. At first, I found the banter amusing, but your comments became increasingly more disparaging and combative. It was at this time, I realized that as a community we really don't need this. Ironically, I agree with many of your points, particullary about the history of D&D and Dragons. However, you clearly have no respect for D&D or those that play the game. With this attitude, I wondered why you were here. If it was just to trade, then you should have stuck to that. Did you really think you could win friends on a board devoted to Dungeons & Dragons by being insulting to the game? If so, then you may have a 16+ intelligence, but your wisdom score must be closer to a 3.

Mazra

Posted By Wolfgang on 11/01/2008 5:51 AM
Why can't you just be nice? lets all get along and stop the third grade name calling.

Posted By Qucalion of Celene on 11/02/2008 12:06 AM
I guess it's a good thing that I came to this conversation later than I could have . . . the way I've been feeling this past week (cranky, surely, ornery, and just down right pissy), I might have had a long diatribe about this topic . . .

While I over-heard some conversation about this DC, I did check out his posts.

At first I thought his posts were well thought out, if not the long-argued complaint of realism in a high fantasy-based game.

I was amused at he had never seen D&D sold at AAFES, while I myself had bought several 2nd Edition D&D books at the Malmstrom Base Exchange. I also recall seeing books available at the Exchanges at Rhein Mein, Leighton Barracks and Giebelstadt AAF. I let his statement pass without comment since that was in the late 80s, and I had not visited an AAFES store in some time.

As for playing D&D in Iraq, not having been deployed to Iraq (I missed Desert Shield by 6 months), I cannot tell first hand of any D&D games having occurred or not. I do, however recall news articles of gaming kits being assembled and having been sent oversees. Having been stationed at an Air Force Base and an Army Air Force post, and having played D&D at both locations as well as being deployed into the field, I think we can assume it might be played at anywhere a serviceman/woman has dice to roll.

So, while his post may have been inaccurate, nit-picking and ranting, I did not see anything initially insulting or degrading. He was stating his opinions which, fortunately some, had choosen to argue with point and counter point. From there on, it went downhill.

I don't know DC (except as in the publisher of my favourite comic book title), so I'm not sticking up for him out of some loyalty, just what I have observed.

Oh, and for the record, DC . . . I had taken to walking to the Rec Center on base carrying my D&D books and finding players that way . . .

I coudn't agree more, and we should all know now who started the namecalling in the first place. But I find it odd that you are the one saying this considering the last previous 'namecalling' was YOUR post in another thread.

Posted By Wolfgang on 11/02/2008 7:40 AM


What i find odd is that your mom lets you stay online for so long.

Droned By DC on 11/02/2008 4:43 AM

Good post, but from the stations you mentioned, it seems pretty clear you were in the Airforce, or possibly one of the few Army Liaisions on Air Force Bases.  Yes, I seem to recall D&D books at OVERSEAS bases, but not in the U.S.

FAST FORWARD>>

I have always been in front line Army combat type units, I was originally a 19D Recon guy and later when a Field Historian, still with the tactical units.  And there is a different 'culture' among these guys and  I can honestly say I never saw D&D played by them, though some played Warhammer and numerous historical wargames.  And being a historical wargamer myself, I always sought out gamers at every base.

Babbled By DC on 11/02/2008 4:43 AM

I believe AAFES HQs is still in Texas, heart of the "Bible Belt" and although WotC Star Wars figures are currently sold in the base where i am stationed now, NO D&Ds are, and it is surely because of all the devils and demons, or even dragons, which bothers a lot of fundamental type Christians.  I know, they attack me regularly on forums due to my next book that shows through archaeological and linguistic sources that the Biblical Yahweh saw his origins as a Cannanite Dragon God of Storms and Floods.

Drooled By DC on 11/02/2008 4:43 AM

Yeah, if I spent my Desert Storm time in a rear echelon unit living in the Khobar Towers Apartments in S.A., then yes, I don't doubt there may have been some D&D going on.  But I was referring to the real "Warfighters" as we call them today.     I still would feel uncomfortable being seen by someone like the Cheif of Staff . . .